bbc.co.uk:Can't download rtsp:// RealMedia .rm and RealAudio .ra files from BBC radio

You use old version of Replay AV. Please download the latest one and try again.

But NetTransport shows timeout after trying to connect. So there must be some problem with rtsp or ports.

Real Player can automatically change ports and protocols. You can try to change ports and protocols manually. But it is easier to find the stream URL that Real Player uses with the URL Finder of Replay AV or with freeware URL Snooper.

After finding stream URL, try to record from it. You shouldn't have any problem.

[BAW30s]

Hallo again!

I am using ReplayAV8, as per your link and the Applian web-site, so I think it's the most up to date version.

I have downloaded and tried URL Snooper as you suggest, but it only gives the same rtsp url as I get by opening the ram file in Notepad, or which NetTransport can detect. As I say, even by inputting the rtsp url directly none of the programs I have tried download the streamed files apart from BBC Ripper and R7, but I only get a reasonable rendition with R7 if I make an avi file, and then there are always the problems with ram.

Incidentally, I have just come across another stream recorder, SoundTap, which forms part of the Australian NCH Software Suite. I have tried it, but so far again with no result.

Are the BBC rtsp streams protected from downloading? I have heard something to that effect. I wonder if your programs somehow avoid this by connecting through a proxy, as I don't use one: could this be the difference? Otherwise, I am well and truly baffled.

Originally Posted by BAW30s

I am using ReplayAV8, as per your link and the Applian web-site, so I think it's the most up to date version.

When I download with my Replay AV (links from All-streaming-media go to Applian) I see "Version 8.41", and in your log I see "Version 8.04".

Originally Posted by BAW30s

I have downloaded and tried URL Snooper as you suggest, but it only gives the same rtsp url as I get by opening the ram file in Notepad, or which NetTransport can detect. As I say, even by inputting the rtsp url directly none of the programs I have tried download the streamed files apart from BBC Ripper and R7, but I only get a reasonable rendition with R7 if I make an avi file, and then there are always the problems with ram.

What URL exactly do you get with URL Snooper?
Make sure it looks like the following one:

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/bbc7/0800_fri.ra?BBC-UID=243719618206e2f91991208980009fa5f880b399309090238b9a4cc88bb5bd09_n&SSO2-UID=

Do not look for RAM metafiles, 'coz you need Real Audio .RA files.

Also please let me know what stream URLs you can find when recording with BBC Radio Ripper. It is interesting what kind of protocol (http://, rtsp:// or pnm://) and what port number it uses (554, 7070, 8080, 80).

It might be easier to find stream URLs with the URL Finder of Replay AV, 'coz URL Snooper usually gives much more links than you really need.

Originally Posted by BAW30s

Incidentally, I have just come across another stream recorder, SoundTap, which forms part of the Australian NCH Software Suite. I have tried it, but so far again with no result.

Soundtap just records from your sound card. There are lots of alternatives to it, some of them are free.

Originally Posted by BAW30s

Are the BBC rtsp streams protected from downloading? I have heard something to that effect. I wonder if your programs somehow avoid this by connecting through a proxy, as I don't use one: could this be the difference? Otherwise, I am well and truly baffled.

No, BBC streams are not protected. They can be recorded from a regular radio tuner, so why should they be protected?

[cjedj]

It seems that something has changed at the BBC's end.

I have been using Replay AV to successfully rip BBC Radio 1 and 4 streams for over a year, and a month or so ago (perhaps a little more), it stopped working. It will still connect to the URL (as per the example from "Stream Recorder") and play it, but won't rip (download) it.

I've tried various other programs since (BBC Radio Ripper, HiDownload, etc.) and they all exhibit the same behaviour - they locate the rtsp stream with no problem and play it fine, but cannot rip (download it). I've also used URL Snooper to double check the stream URL, and it comes back with the same ones as I am using.

The only possibility at the moment seems to be to capture the audio in real time, which is obviously what this type of software was designed to avoid.

The programs themselves are still working fine, as I have tested them all with other streams (Virgin Media and XFM in the UK) and they rip as expected - it's only the BBC ones which no longer work.

If anybody has any suggestions then I'd be interested, but for now it seems that ripping BBC rtsp streams isn't possible for me.

cjedj, please let me know what OS you use, what versions of Replay AV and other media stream recorders you tried...

And please also send me a couple of stream URLs you have problem with.

[cjedj]

Originally Posted by Stream Recorder

cjedj, please let me know what OS you use, what versions of Replay AV and other media stream recorders you tried...

And please also send me a couple of stream URLs you have problem with.

Hi there

The box I rip with is Win XP (SP2), Replay AV is 8.41, BBC Radio Ripper 2.9.7 trial version (downloaded yesterday as a test). That's all that's on my system ATM, I uninstalled HiDownload and one other a couple of months back.

Replay AV has always been rock solid for me until a couple of months back.

None of the BBC streams which take the following format work for me:

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/moyles_mon.ra
rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1310_sat.ra

These are with or without the BBC-UID appended, it doesn't change the result. Here's what happens with Replay AV (it's from last month, but this is the same every time I try it):

Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Download capture type: Stream Capture
Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Recording : Moyles Mon
Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM URL : rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/moyles_mon.ra
Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Filename : Z:\Desktop\Replay Recordings\Moyles Mon\Moyles Mon.cap
Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM URL : rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/moyles_mon.ra
Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Starting Job #1
Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Status 52652644: Looking up host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...
Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Status 52652644: Connecting to host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...
Sun Dec 9 2:31:07 PM Status 52652644: Connection to host rmv8.bbc.net.uk failed .
Sun Dec 9 2:31:07 PM Stopping DL Recording

BBC Radio Ripper throws the error

Failure in starting the process! result code: -62.

Conversely, as I said in my last post, I have no problem with other radio networks, only BBC.

One thing I can't find anywhere is confirmation that anyone else can successfully download BBC streams at the moment - are you able to, and if so could you do me a favour and let me know which streams and which software you have success with?

Tried NetTransport with the first stream:

31.01.2008 12:09:08.890 Connecting to rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554
31.01.2008 12:09:09.031 Connecting to 212.58.224.59:554
31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 Connected.
31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 OPTIONS rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554 RTSP/1.0
31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 CSeq: 1
31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 User-Agent: RealMedia Player (HelixDNAClient)/10.0.0.0 (win32)
31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 ClientChallenge: 4da1d00e993e487dc27f86a6c3dbc0b6
31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 PlayerStarttime: [31/01/2008:12:09:09 03:00]
31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 CompanyID: v26SZaWu2Wrl4sowowx4mQ==
31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 Pragma: initiate-session
31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 RTSP/1.0 200 OK
31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 CSeq: 1
31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:09:18 GMT
31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 Session: 563479-1;timeout=80
31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 Server: Helix Server Version 11.1.6.2797 (sunos-5.8-sparc-server) (RealServer compatible)
31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 Public: OPTIONS, DESCRIBE, ANNOUNCE, PLAY, PAUSE, SETUP, GET_PARAMETER, SET_PARAMETER, TEARDOWN
31.01.2008 12:09:10.296 TurboPlay: 1
31.01.2008 12:09:10.296 RealChallenge1: ca2b1eaa66904bcca352cdaa8929b65c
31.01.2008 12:09:10.296 StatsMask: 3
31.01.2008 12:09:10.296 DESCRIBE rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio1/moyles_mon.ra RTSP/1.0
31.01.2008 12:09:10.296 CSeq: 2
31.01.2008 12:09:10.312 Accept: application/sdp
31.01.2008 12:09:10.312 Session: 563479-1
31.01.2008 12:09:10.312 Bandwidth: 10485800
31.01.2008 12:09:10.703 RTSP/1.0 200 OK
31.01.2008 12:09:10.703 CSeq: 2
31.01.2008 12:09:10.703 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:09:18 GMT
31.01.2008 12:09:10.703 Session: 563479-1;timeout=80
31.01.2008 12:09:10.703 Last-Modified: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:31:24 GMT
31.01.2008 12:13:14.062 cancelled at 1425444

and Replay AV with the second stream:

Thu Jan 31 12:10:42 PM Download capture type: Stream Capture
Thu Jan 31 12:10:42 PM Recording : bbc radio4
Thu Jan 31 12:10:42 PM URL : rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1310_sat.ra
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Filename : E:\_Downloads\str\bbc radio4\bbc radio4 Jan 31.cap
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM URL : rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1310_sat.ra
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Starting Job #20
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Looking up host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Connecting to host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Host rmv8.bbc.net.uk connected. Waiting for rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1310_sat.ra.
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: OPTIONS rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554 RTSP/1.0
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 1
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: User-Agent: RealMedia Player Version 6.0.8.1649 (win32)
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: ClientChallenge: c0157933aef7a60918e1de5feddf9996
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: PlayerStarttime: [05/08/2002:14:08:53 03:00]
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: CompanyID: bIiTbEtEphx7i07QEFdl+A==
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: GUID: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: RegionData:
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: ClientID: WinNT_5.0_6.0.10.505_RealPlayer_RN9GPD_en_686
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Pragma: initiate-session
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Transferring data from rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1310_sat.ra.
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Received data for 53813036
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 1
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:10:52 GMT
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Server: Helix Server Version 11.1.6.2797 (sunos-5.8-sparc-server) (RealServer compatible)
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Public: OPTIONS, DESCRIBE, ANNOUNCE, PLAY, PAUSE, SETUP, GET_PARAMETER, SET_PARAMETER, TEARDOWN
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: TurboPlay: 1
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: RealChallenge1: a79672ec972c4afd80793c96ff2ddef9
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: StatsMask: 3
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: DESCRIBE rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra RTSP/1.0
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 2
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Accept: application/sdp
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Bandwidth: 1544000
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: GUID: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: RegionData:
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: ClientID: WinNT_5.0_6.0.10.505_RealPlayer_RN9GPD_en_686
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: SupportsMaximumASMBandwidth: 1
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Language: en-US, en, *
Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Require: com.real.retain-entity-for-setup
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 2
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:10:52 GMT
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Last-Modified: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:06:37 GMT
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Content-base: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra/
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: ETag: 563524-1
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Vary: User-Agent, ClientID
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Content-type: application/sdp
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: x-real-usestrackid: 1
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Content-length: 4621
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: SETUP rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra/streamid=0 RTSP/1.0
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 3
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Transport: x-pn-tng/tcp;mode=play,rtp/avp/tcp;unicast;mode=play
Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: If-match: 563524-1;timeout=80
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 3
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:10:53 GMT
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Reconnect: true
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: RDTFeatureLevel: 0
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: StatsMask: 3
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Transport: x-pn-tng/tcp;interleaved=0
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: SET_PARAMETER rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra RTSP/1.0
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 4
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Subscribe: stream=0;rule=20,stream=0;rule=21
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 4
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:10:53 GMT
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: PLAY rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra RTSP/1.0
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 5
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Range: npt=0-2999.76
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 5
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:10:53 GMT
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: RTP-Info: url=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra/streamid=0;seq=0;rtptime=0
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Range: npt=0-
Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session Started
Thu Jan 31 12:11:19 PM Status 53813036: SET_PARAMETER rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra RTSP/1.0
Thu Jan 31 12:11:19 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 6
Thu Jan 31 12:11:19 PM Status 53813036: SetDeliveryBandwidth: Bandwidth=1544000;BackOff=0
Thu Jan 31 12:11:19 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1
Thu Jan 31 12:11:24 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK
Thu Jan 31 12:11:24 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 6
Thu Jan 31 12:11:24 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:11:27 GMT
Thu Jan 31 12:11:24 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80
Thu Jan 31 12:11:44 PM Status 53813036: SET_PARAMETER rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra RTSP/1.0
Thu Jan 31 12:11:44 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 7
Thu Jan 31 12:11:45 PM Status 53813036: SetDeliveryBandwidth: Bandwidth=1544000;BackOff=0
Thu Jan 31 12:11:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1
Thu Jan 31 12:11:52 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK
Thu Jan 31 12:11:52 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 7
Thu Jan 31 12:11:52 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:11:53 GMT
Thu Jan 31 12:11:52 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80
Thu Jan 31 12:11:53 PM Stopping DL Recording

Had no any problem recording... and playing the recordings.

The only thing I can think of is that you have port 554 closed. Make sure your firewall allows such connections.

[cjedj]

554 is definitely open in both firewall and router, have just been back to double check.

I'm out of ideas, unless it has something to do with me having a non-UK IP address, but that seems unlikely, as I can play the streams with no issue.

Looks like I'm going to have to stick to recording it for now. It's not the end of the world, but it's far less convenient.

Originally Posted by cjedj

I'm out of ideas, unless it has something to do with me having a non-UK IP address, but that seems unlikely, as I can play the streams with no issue.

I don't reside in the UK either. It is really very weird if you can play the stream, but unable to record when trying to use the same URL that your real player uses....

Originally Posted by cjedj

Looks like I'm going to have to stick to recording it for now. It's not the end of the world, but it's far less convenient.

Try to use a different port number:

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:7070/radio1/moyles_mon.ra
rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:80/radio1/moyles_mon.ra
rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:8080/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

or try to change the protocol as well as the port:

http://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio1/moyles_mon.ra
http://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:7070/radio1/moyles_mon.ra
http://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:80/radio1/moyles_mon.ra
http://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:8080/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

Hi guys,

I found this thread through Google as I couldn't get WM Recorder to work with BBC audio streams either. It might interest you to know that I too was using Real Alternative and when I uninstalled this and installed Realplayer (god help me), WM Recorder started working perfectly capturing anything I launched with the BBC iPlayer.

I'm not in the UK and maybe it's some combination of this and not using Realplayer which caused the issue.

Hope this helps someone.

Joe