Thanks for the URL on that one. Regarding java players, one station I know of that uses an embedded java player is http://www.wgnhradio.org/ When I click their "Listen Live" link, as best as I can tell their stream is at http://70.61.207.246/webstream.20?1175596844580 but it sounds terrible, slowed down and sort of like a cheap cassette tape being eaten. When I try that link in any external player, it comes up 404. I've even tried switching it to mms:// and deleting the question mark and number string. Any ideas?

Here's Proxomitron's log

+++GET 190+++
GET /webstream.20?1175597299800 HTTP/1.0
Accept-Language: en
Accept: text/html, image/gif, image/jpeg, *; q=.2, */*; q=.2
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Win32)
Host: 70.61.207.246
Pragma: no-cache
Connection: keep-alive
Browser reload detected...

+++RESP 190+++
HTTP/1.0 200 Ok
Server: RADIODESTINY/1.0
Content-Length: 10000000
Pragma: no-cache
Content-Type: audio/x-clipstream