Audio/video stream recording forums (http://stream-recorder.com/forum/index.php)

- Audio stream recording (http://stream-recorder.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5)

- -

RealMedia .rm and RealAudio .ra files from BBC radio

(http://stream-recorder.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1496)

bbc.co.uk:Can't download rtsp:// RealMedia .rm and RealAudio .ra files from BBC radio

Hi. First post here, so be gentle..!

I'm trying to download a Real Media stream from the BBCs Listen Again pages (bbc.co.uk). I've got a link to the .rm file (rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio2/r2_genesis.ra) but when I try to put it into WackGet (or any other download manager I've got) nothing happens or I get a message like "The requested download could not complete".

I'll admit to being new to this - I got the link to the file by using URLSnooper, but now I'm stuck.

Also, the BBC take the link away after one week, which is this coming Saturday!

Any help much appreciated.

Re: Can't download rm file from BBC

Few download managers can capture Real audio/video streamed through the RTSP protocol. You may find ones as well as other stream recorders on the following pages:
All streaming media recording software
All streaming audio recording/ripping software

You may use stream recorders like WM Recorder, Replay A/V as well as doanload managers like NetTransport or even offline browser Offline Explorer Pro (if you need to download many audio streams as well as HTML pages with pictures,...),....

BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

Dear Stream Recorder,

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAW30s

I have taken a great interest in your site, as I do like to record streaming real audio from the BBC (I live in the UK) which has many excellent speech programmes.

Up to now, I have generally accomplished this through the sound card using Sound Forge for the recording. This offers many options and does produce good results, but naturally suffers from the disadvantages associated with using the sound card, i.e. having to record in real time and not being able to use the computer for anything else during the recording for fear of introducing extraneous sounds or interrupting the process.

I have therefore experimented with a number of downloaders and stream recorders with a view to making direct recordings, but mostly with poor or no results.
Downloaders, such as HiDownload , are quite useless. I have tried several.

Replay Radio (Replay AV) does work, but again it uses the sound card and offers less control than editing with Sound Forge.

I have tried your recommended program, WM Recorder, but with no success whatever, even if I open the .ram file in Notepad and use that text.

R7C does make a recording, but totally out of synch; furthermore, the problem of it exhausting the RAM memory is disruptive after 20 minutes or so. Curiously it does produce acceptable sound results if the sound is recorded to an avi video file. The right codec might help: I have the K-Lite Mega Pack installed, so I should be prepared.

If anyone has actually succeeded in using WM or R7C with BBC radio, I'd like to know how they did it.

Curiously, the only program I have found effective is BBC Radio Ripper, which does download the streaming audio and convert it to MP3. I am surprised, then , that you only give it 3/10 when it is the only one for me which works!
Anyway, I thought you might be interested in this.

Thank you for your opinion, Bernard. It is very important for our community.

WM Recorder is really my favorite stream recording software. Why would I prefer to use it with BBC? Because I record not only web radio, but also TV shows (like my favorite BBC hi tech show The Click).

BBC offers video streams in Real video and Windows Media format. Windows media is much easier to record so I prefer to save it to hd instead of Real Video.

WM Recorder has three different modes. You can try ADA Auto recording mode first. When you use it, you just need to play your stream and it will be captured automatically.

Replay AV (former Replay Radio) has two ways of recording: recording from your sound card and stream capturing. So you can try the latter.

I don't really use HiDownload, but another download manager called NetTransport is very good at recording both audio and video streams from BBC.

Why don't I recommend BBC Radio Ripper? Because it has too few features for the price it has. As for the low rating, it is that low 'coz BBC Radio Ripper supports Real Audio streams only and in the rating I try to reflect the amount of different stream formats that audio stream ripper can handle.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

My deepest thanks for your prompt and considered reply at such a busy time of year to my observations regarding the recording of BBC Radio.

For me, WM Recorder does succeed in capturing the stream url, as you say, but then fails to make any recording even after the record button is pressed and the various options explored. NetTransport also fails.

Upon hearing that apparently you are succeeding with these programs, and seeing that WM failed to detect Real Player in my computer when I selected the "Reset Settings" option, I have begun to wonder whether the problem may be that I use Media Payer Classic with its Real plug-in rather than the offical Real Player for streamed radio. It works very well, and avoid's Real's barrage of advertising, etc, but perhaps WM and the others fail to detect it. If this is the problem, and anyone knows of a way round, I'd like to hear of it: otherwise, I'll try re-installing Real Player in the new year. BBC Radio Ripper does seem to cope with Real Alternative, though.

I was interested in the Replay Radio streaming option, which I hadn't noticed when I had the program installed, or perhaps my version was too old. I will give that one another try too when I get a moment, and also look forward to experimenting with WM and television.

Thanks again!

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAW30s (Post 4813)

For me, WM Recorder does succeed in capturing the stream url, as you say, but then fails to make any recording even after the record button is pressed and the various options explored. NetTransport also fails.

In WM Recorder click the Mode button and select "Internet connection test" to make sure WM Recorder can access internet.

Also please send me the URL where I can find such a problematic stream.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAW30s (Post 4813)

Upon hearing that apparently you are succeeding with these programs, and seeing that WM failed to detect Real Player in my computer when I selected the "Reset Settings" option, I have begun to wonder whether the problem may be that I use Media Payer Classic with its Real plug-in rather than the offical Real Player for streamed radio. It works very well, and avoid's Real's barrage of advertising, etc, but perhaps WM and the others fail to detect it. If this is the problem, and anyone knows of a way round, I'd like to hear of it: otherwise, I'll try re-installing Real Player in the new year.

I haven't really tested the new URL finder of NetTransport 'coz the first version were too buggy. I use freeware URL Snooper to find stream URLs.
NetTransport definitely doesn't need Real Player or Real Alternative to record streaming Real Video/Audio/Media.

WM Recorder works with Real Alternative, however it is recommended to have Real Player for better support. Also IMHO its recording ability depends on WinPCap properly installed (proper version + correct installation).

And the developer of WM Recorder mentioned the following:

Quote:

A Real recording may not start for the following reasons

Real Player does not accept downloading from a URL (the link was not clicked in the web page)
Real Player version is not 10 or higher
WM Recorder file rmrp.exe - RM Stream Recorder is blocked from accessing the Net by Internet security software (Norton, etc.)
When in PRO Mode the ports 7774 and 7775 are blocked
When AUTO recording from a web page WM Recorder is not in AUTO ON mode or the option "Include ram, smil" is not checked in Media Options.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAW30s (Post 4813)

I was interested in the Replay Radio streaming option, which I hadn't noticed when I had the program installed, or perhaps my version was too old. I will give that one another try too when I get a moment, and also look forward to experimenting with WM and television.

There was no stream capturing feature in very old versions.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

Thanks again for the very prompt reply. The Internet connection test says that the connection is ok and the URLs are being captured: WM is working well for You-Tube, for instance.

An example of a URL is:

Code:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listenagain/saturday/rams/1200.ram

but none of the URLs work with anything other than Radio Ripper!
Auto-record is on, and the firewall is allowing WM. The options "Include ram, smil" are checked in Media Options, but as stated I have Real Alternative rather than Real Player 10. I believe that WinPCap is properly installed, but I don't know what IMHO means!

I would assume that these URLs don't accept downloads, only if BBC Ripper can get them, presumably they do! If any of the BBC7

Code:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listenagain

urls work with WM for others, I'd like to know! Greetings to all...

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

I have the same problem with WM Recorder. I don't really know how to solve it. May be I just need to reboot my computer. I have contacted the developer already.

However I had no any problem with two other stream recorders I have tried:
Replay AV captured rtsp:// .ra link without any problem and I was able to save the stream to hd successfully.

NetTransport works differently: it can process .ram metafile and start downloading from the URL immediately. The stream was also saved to hd successfully.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

I am interested to hear of your success with Replay AV and NetTransport: I haven't been able to use the computer much in recent weeks due to a Trojan attack which prevented booting and to my having to be away from home to care for my mother, but today I've tried them both with Real Player 10.5 installed (I have Windows 2000 so 11 is not an option) and still found them both unable to save any BBC Real audio streaming links, even if I open the metafile.

I'm going to install a new hard drive soon with a fresh install of the operating system, but for some strange reason it seems that BBC Radio Ripper has to be the one for me!

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

I just repeated the experiment. I pasted

Code:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listenagain/saturday/rams/1200.ram

into the new download of NetTransport. It processed the RAM metafile, extracted the stream URL and started downloading from it successfully.

I also launched the URL Finder of Replay AV before starting to download with NetTransport. The Replay AV found the RTSP stream URL successfully and I had no any problem recording from it.

Please copy the log of the download of NetTransport and PM it to me so that I can tell you more. You can also PM the log of Replay AV.

Please also be more specific when describing your problem. Can you find the URL with Replay AV? What kind of error message do you see when trying to capture stream?

The only problem I can think of is that your firewall blocks some applications.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

Interesting: thank you for your time.

I have just tried with this url to which I am currently listening:

Code:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listenagain/friday/rams/0800.ram

Again, no downloads occurred with either Net Transport or ReplayAV, despite the programme playing and the firewall being switched off. I am using a router, but presumably port-forwarding is not required as I am receiving the show ("Dad's Army").

The Net Transport log reads:

Code:

18/01/2008 22:13:08.296 Connecting to rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554

18/01/2008 22:13:08.316 Connecting to 212.58.252.8:554

18/01/2008 22:13:08.336 Connected.

18/01/2008 22:13:08.336 OPTIONS rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554 RTSP/1.0

18/01/2008 22:13:08.336 CSeq: 1

18/01/2008 22:13:08.336 User-Agent: RealMedia Player (HelixDNAClient)/10.0.0.0 (win32)

18/01/2008 22:13:08.336 ClientChallenge: a39e466cdc050029de5b81a9828fbda1

18/01/2008 22:13:08.336 PlayerStarttime: [18/01/2008:22:13:08 00:00]

18/01/2008 22:13:08.336 CompanyID: PgGzKfy1kWIfd1dflC5OMA==

18/01/2008 22:13:08.336 Pragma: initiate-session

18/01/2008 22:14:08.342 Timeout.

18/01/2008 22:14:08.342 Awaiting 5 seconds to retry.

18/01/2008 22:14:13.360 Connecting to 212.58.252.8:554

18/01/2008 22:14:13.390 Connected.

18/01/2008 22:14:13.400 OPTIONS rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554 RTSP/1.0

18/01/2008 22:14:13.400 CSeq: 1

18/01/2008 22:14:13.400 User-Agent: RealMedia Player (HelixDNAClient)/10.0.0.0 (win32)

18/01/2008 22:14:13.400 ClientChallenge: 96326ebb474b6a51db40dbc27c3ad5c4

18/01/2008 22:14:13.400 PlayerStarttime: [18/01/2008:22:14:13 00:00]

18/01/2008 22:14:13.400 CompanyID: fEv4FA5LpV0qJpXGalG9WA==

18/01/2008 22:14:13.400 Pragma: initiate-session

18/01/2008 22:15:13.426 Timeout.

18/01/2008 22:15:13.436 Awaiting 5 seconds to retry.

18/01/2008 22:15:18.453 Connecting to 212.58.252.8:554

18/01/2008 22:15:18.483 Connected.

18/01/2008 22:15:18.493 OPTIONS rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554 RTSP/1.0

18/01/2008 22:15:18.493 CSeq: 1

18/01/2008 22:15:18.493 User-Agent: RealMedia Player (HelixDNAClient)/10.0.0.0 (win32)

18/01/2008 22:15:18.493 ClientChallenge: 051293c855d2432a99821e7e6163006e

18/01/2008 22:15:18.493 PlayerStarttime: [18/01/2008:22:15:18 00:00]

18/01/2008 22:15:18.493 CompanyID: ydCGZG9mnscJrs3fyL0EXg==

18/01/2008 22:15:18.493 Pragma: initiate-session

18/01/2008 22:16:18.520 Timeout.

The Replay AV log reads:

Code:

Recording log for All Shows

Replay A/V Version 8.04

Reg code: [will be revealed to the support of Applian only]



Fri Jan 18 10:15:48 PM Windows OS = Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional 

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM Enhanced Sound Card Driver DLL not found.

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM Setting callback window

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM No Wake up timer set.

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM Selected Sound Card:  Crystal SoundFusion(tm)

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM Mixer Data for Crystal SoundFusion(tm)

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM likely good source:  Analog Connector

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM other source:  TV Tuner Audio

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM other source:  CD Player

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM other source:  Line

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM other source:  Microphone

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM other source:  Phone Line

Fri Jan 18 10:15:51 PM likely good source:  Wave Out Mix

Fri Jan 18 10:15:52 PM Unable to open URL:  http://www.applian.com/user/check_av...p?version=8.04

Fri Jan 18 10:16:35 PM List Adapter: HP NC3121 Fast Ethernet NIC

Fri Jan 18 10:16:39 PM Loading IE Cache

Fri Jan 18 10:16:41 PM Loading Firefox Cache

Fri Jan 18 10:16:41 PM Done Loading Caches

Fri Jan 18 10:16:56 PM Loading IE Cache

Fri Jan 18 10:16:56 PM Loading Firefox Cache

Fri Jan 18 10:16:56 PM Done Loading Caches

Fri Jan 18 10:17:11 PM Loading IE Cache

Fri Jan 18 10:17:12 PM Loading Firefox Cache

Fri Jan 18 10:17:12 PM Done Loading Caches

Fri Jan 18 10:17:27 PM Loading IE Cache

Fri Jan 18 10:17:28 PM Loading Firefox Cache

Fri Jan 18 10:17:28 PM Done Loading Caches



Fri Jan 18 10:19:36 PM Windows OS = Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional 

Fri Jan 18 10:19:38 PM Enhanced Sound Card Driver DLL not found.

Fri Jan 18 10:19:38 PM Setting callback window

Fri Jan 18 10:19:38 PM No Wake up timer set.

Fri Jan 18 10:20:05 PM No Wake up timer set.

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM 

Download Capture Summary:

  Version 8.04

  URL = http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listenagai.../rams/0800.ram

  Days= 

  Next = Sat Jan 19 22:20 - 23:20 (1x)

  Capture Type = Stream Capture

  Record-to Format = Stream Capture

  Convert-to Format =  Nothing - Leave As Is



  No Eliminate Dead Air

  No Create New Track after silence option

  No Split Tracks after time

  Automatic retuning enabled

  Mute while recording disabled



Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Download capture type: Stream Capture

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Recording : New Show

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM URL : http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listenagai.../rams/0800.ram

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Filename : C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Recordings\New Show\New Show Jan 18.cap

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM URL : http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listenagai.../rams/0800.ram

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Starting Job #4

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM No Wake up timer set.

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Looking up host www.bbc.co.uk...

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Connecting to host www.bbc.co.uk...

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Host www.bbc.co.uk connected. Waiting for http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listenagai.../rams/0800.ram.

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: GET /bbc7/listenagain/friday/rams/0800.ram HTTP/1.0

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Accept: *.*, */*

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Host: www.bbc.co.uk

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Accept-Encoding: gzip

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Transferring data from http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listenagai.../rams/0800.ram.

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Received data for 36446044

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: HTTP/1.1 200 OK

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:20:25 GMT

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Server: Apache/2.0.59 (Unix)

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Set-Cookie: BBC-UID=243719618206e2f91991208980009fa5f880b399309090238b9a4cc88bb5bd090Mozilla%2f4%2e0%20%28compatible%3b%20MSIE%206%2e0%3b%20Windows%20NT%205%2e1%29; expires=Tue, 17-Jan-12 22:20:25 GMT; path=/; domain=bbc.co.uk;

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Accept-Ranges: bytes

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Cache-Control: max-age=1

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Expires: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:20:26 GMT

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Content-Type: audio/x-pn-realaudio

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Connection: close

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Session Started

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Download complete. Status: 200 OK.

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36446044: Session Ended

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM MPDL ended

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Filename : C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Recordings\New Show\New Show Jan 18.cap

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM URL : rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/bbc7/0800_fri.ra?BBC-UID=243719618206e2f91991208980009fa5f880b399309090238b9a4cc88bb5bd09_n&SSO2-UID=

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Starting Job #8028

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: Looking up host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: Connecting to host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: Host rmv8.bbc.net.uk connected. Waiting for rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/bbc7/0800_fri.ra?BBC-UID=243719618206e2f91991208980009fa5f880b399309090238b9a4cc88bb5bd09_n&SSO2-UID=.

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: OPTIONS rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554 RTSP/1.0

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: CSeq: 1

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: User-Agent: RealMedia Player Version 6.0.8.1649 (win32)

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: ClientChallenge: c0157933aef7a60918e1de5feddf9996

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: PlayerStarttime: [05/08/2002:14:08:53 03:00]

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: CompanyID: bIiTbEtEphx7i07QEFdl+A==

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: GUID: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: RegionData:

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: ClientID: WinNT_5.0_6.0.10.505_RealPlayer_RN9GPD_en_686

Fri Jan 18 10:20:06 PM Status 36460544: Pragma: initiate-session

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Status 36460544: Connecting to host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Status 36460544: Host rmv8.bbc.net.uk connected. Waiting for rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/bbc7/0800_fri.ra?BBC-UID=243719618206e2f91991208980009fa5f880b399309090238b9a4cc88bb5bd09_n&SSO2-UID=.

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Status 36460544: GET /bbc7/0800_fri.ra?BBC-UID=243719618206e2f91991208980009fa5f880b399309090238b9a4cc88bb5bd09_n&SSO2-UID= HTTP/1.0

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Status 36460544: Accept: *.*, */*

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Status 36460544: User-Agent: RMA/1.0 (compatible; RealMedia)

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Status 36460544: Host: rmv8.bbc.net.uk

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Status 36460544: Accept-Encoding: gzip

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Status 36460544: Transferring data from rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/bbc7/0800_fri.ra?BBC-UID=243719618206e2f91991208980009fa5f880b399309090238b9a4cc88bb5bd09_n&SSO2-UID=.

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Received data for 36460544

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Status 36460544: HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM Stopping DL Recording

Fri Jan 18 10:22:51 PM MPDL ended

Fri Jan 18 10:22:53 PM No Wake up timer set.

Thank you again for your interest. I'm planning to reinstall Windows 2000 on a new hard drive shortly, but having done it before doubt whether it will make any difference.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

You use old version of Replay AV. Please download the latest one and try again.

But NetTransport shows timeout after trying to connect. So there must be some problem with rtsp or ports.

Real Player can automatically change ports and protocols. You can try to change ports and protocols manually. But it is easier to find the stream URL that Real Player uses with the URL Finder of Replay AV or with freeware URL Snooper.

After finding stream URL, try to record from it. You shouldn't have any problem.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

Hallo again!

I am using ReplayAV8, as per your link and the Applian web-site, so I think it's the most up to date version.

I have downloaded and tried URL Snooper as you suggest, but it only gives the same rtsp url as I get by opening the ram file in Notepad, or which NetTransport can detect. As I say, even by inputting the rtsp url directly none of the programs I have tried download the streamed files apart from BBC Ripper and R7, but I only get a reasonable rendition with R7 if I make an avi file, and then there are always the problems with ram.

Incidentally, I have just come across another stream recorder, SoundTap, which forms part of the Australian NCH Software Suite. I have tried it, but so far again with no result.

Are the BBC rtsp streams protected from downloading? I have heard something to that effect. I wonder if your programs somehow avoid this by connecting through a proxy, as I don't use one: could this be the difference? Otherwise, I am well and truly baffled.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAW30s (Post 5006)

I am using ReplayAV8, as per your link and the Applian web-site, so I think it's the most up to date version.

When I download with my Replay AV (links from All-streaming-media go to Applian) I see "Version 8.41", and in your log I see "Version 8.04".

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAW30s (Post 5006)

I have downloaded and tried URL Snooper as you suggest, but it only gives the same rtsp url as I get by opening the ram file in Notepad, or which NetTransport can detect. As I say, even by inputting the rtsp url directly none of the programs I have tried download the streamed files apart from BBC Ripper and R7, but I only get a reasonable rendition with R7 if I make an avi file, and then there are always the problems with ram.

What URL exactly do you get with URL Snooper?
Make sure it looks like the following one:

Code:

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/bbc7/0800_fri.ra?BBC-UID=243719618206e2f91991208980009fa5f880b399309090238b9a4cc88bb5bd09_n&SSO2-UID=

Do not look for RAM metafiles, 'coz you need Real Audio .RA files.

Also please let me know what stream URLs you can find when recording with BBC Radio Ripper. It is interesting what kind of protocol (http://, rtsp:// or pnm://) and what port number it uses (554, 7070, 8080, 80).

It might be easier to find stream URLs with the URL Finder of Replay AV, 'coz URL Snooper usually gives much more links than you really need.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAW30s (Post 5006)

Incidentally, I have just come across another stream recorder, SoundTap, which forms part of the Australian NCH Software Suite. I have tried it, but so far again with no result.

Soundtap just records from your sound card. There are lots of alternatives to it, some of them are free.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAW30s (Post 5006)

Are the BBC rtsp streams protected from downloading? I have heard something to that effect. I wonder if your programs somehow avoid this by connecting through a proxy, as I don't use one: could this be the difference? Otherwise, I am well and truly baffled.

No, BBC streams are not protected. They can be recorded from a regular radio tuner, so why should they be protected?

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

It seems that something has changed at the BBC's end.

I have been using Replay AV to successfully rip BBC Radio 1 and 4 streams for over a year, and a month or so ago (perhaps a little more), it stopped working. It will still connect to the URL (as per the example from "Stream Recorder") and play it, but won't rip (download) it.

I've tried various other programs since (BBC Radio Ripper, HiDownload, etc.) and they all exhibit the same behaviour - they locate the rtsp stream with no problem and play it fine, but cannot rip (download it). I've also used URL Snooper to double check the stream URL, and it comes back with the same ones as I am using.

The only possibility at the moment seems to be to capture the audio in real time, which is obviously what this type of software was designed to avoid.

The programs themselves are still working fine, as I have tested them all with other streams (Virgin Media and XFM in the UK) and they rip as expected - it's only the BBC ones which no longer work.

If anybody has any suggestions then I'd be interested, but for now it seems that ripping BBC rtsp streams isn't possible for me.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

cjedj, please let me know what OS you use, what versions of Replay AV and other media stream recorders you tried...

And please also send me a couple of stream URLs you have problem with.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stream Recorder (Post 5134)

cjedj, please let me know what OS you use, what versions of Replay AV and other media stream recorders you tried...

And please also send me a couple of stream URLs you have problem with.

Hi there

The box I rip with is Win XP (SP2), Replay AV is 8.41, BBC Radio Ripper 2.9.7 trial version (downloaded yesterday as a test). That's all that's on my system ATM, I uninstalled HiDownload and one other a couple of months back.

Replay AV has always been rock solid for me until a couple of months back.

None of the BBC streams which take the following format work for me:

Code:

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1310_sat.ra

These are with or without the BBC-UID appended, it doesn't change the result. Here's what happens with Replay AV (it's from last month, but this is the same every time I try it):

Code:

Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Download capture type: Stream Capture

Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Recording : Moyles Mon

Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM URL : rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Filename : Z:\Desktop\Replay Recordings\Moyles Mon\Moyles Mon.cap

Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM URL : rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Starting Job #1

Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Status 52652644: Looking up host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...

Sun Dec 9 2:31:05 PM Status 52652644: Connecting to host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...

Sun Dec 9 2:31:07 PM Status 52652644: Connection to host rmv8.bbc.net.uk failed .

Sun Dec 9 2:31:07 PM Stopping DL Recording

BBC Radio Ripper throws the error

Code:

Failure in starting the process! result code: -62.

Conversely, as I said in my last post, I have no problem with other radio networks, only BBC.

One thing I can't find anywhere is confirmation that anyone else can successfully download BBC streams at the moment - are you able to, and if so could you do me a favour and let me know which streams and which software you have success with?

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

Tried NetTransport with the first stream:

Code:

31.01.2008 12:09:08.890 Connecting to rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554

31.01.2008 12:09:09.031 Connecting to 212.58.224.59:554

31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 Connected.

31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 OPTIONS rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554 RTSP/1.0

31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 CSeq: 1

31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 User-Agent: RealMedia Player (HelixDNAClient)/10.0.0.0 (win32)

31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 ClientChallenge: 4da1d00e993e487dc27f86a6c3dbc0b6

31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 PlayerStarttime: [31/01/2008:12:09:09 03:00]

31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 CompanyID: v26SZaWu2Wrl4sowowx4mQ==

31.01.2008 12:09:09.796 Pragma: initiate-session

31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 RTSP/1.0 200 OK

31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 CSeq: 1

31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:09:18 GMT

31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 Session: 563479-1;timeout=80

31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 Server: Helix Server Version 11.1.6.2797 (sunos-5.8-sparc-server) (RealServer compatible)

31.01.2008 12:09:10.281 Public: OPTIONS, DESCRIBE, ANNOUNCE, PLAY, PAUSE, SETUP, GET_PARAMETER, SET_PARAMETER, TEARDOWN

31.01.2008 12:09:10.296 TurboPlay: 1

31.01.2008 12:09:10.296 RealChallenge1: ca2b1eaa66904bcca352cdaa8929b65c

31.01.2008 12:09:10.296 StatsMask: 3

31.01.2008 12:09:10.296 DESCRIBE rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio1/moyles_mon.ra RTSP/1.0

31.01.2008 12:09:10.296 CSeq: 2

31.01.2008 12:09:10.312 Accept: application/sdp

31.01.2008 12:09:10.312 Session: 563479-1

31.01.2008 12:09:10.312 Bandwidth: 10485800

31.01.2008 12:09:10.703 RTSP/1.0 200 OK

31.01.2008 12:09:10.703 CSeq: 2

31.01.2008 12:09:10.703 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:09:18 GMT

31.01.2008 12:09:10.703 Session: 563479-1;timeout=80

31.01.2008 12:09:10.703 Last-Modified: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:31:24 GMT

31.01.2008 12:13:14.062 cancelled at 1425444

and Replay AV with the second stream:

Code:

Thu Jan 31 12:10:42 PM Download capture type: Stream Capture

Thu Jan 31 12:10:42 PM Recording : bbc radio4

Thu Jan 31 12:10:42 PM URL : rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1310_sat.ra

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Filename : E:\_Downloads\str\bbc radio4\bbc radio4 Jan 31.cap

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM URL : rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1310_sat.ra

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Starting Job #20

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Looking up host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Connecting to host rmv8.bbc.net.uk...

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Host rmv8.bbc.net.uk connected. Waiting for rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1310_sat.ra.

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: OPTIONS rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554 RTSP/1.0

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 1

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: User-Agent: RealMedia Player Version 6.0.8.1649 (win32)

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: ClientChallenge: c0157933aef7a60918e1de5feddf9996

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: PlayerStarttime: [05/08/2002:14:08:53 03:00]

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: CompanyID: bIiTbEtEphx7i07QEFdl+A==

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: GUID: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: RegionData:

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: ClientID: WinNT_5.0_6.0.10.505_RealPlayer_RN9GPD_en_686

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Pragma: initiate-session

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Transferring data from rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1310_sat.ra.

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Received data for 53813036

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 1

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:10:52 GMT

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Server: Helix Server Version 11.1.6.2797 (sunos-5.8-sparc-server) (RealServer compatible)

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Public: OPTIONS, DESCRIBE, ANNOUNCE, PLAY, PAUSE, SETUP, GET_PARAMETER, SET_PARAMETER, TEARDOWN

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: TurboPlay: 1

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: RealChallenge1: a79672ec972c4afd80793c96ff2ddef9

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: StatsMask: 3

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: DESCRIBE rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra RTSP/1.0

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 2

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Accept: application/sdp

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Bandwidth: 1544000

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: GUID: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: RegionData:

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: ClientID: WinNT_5.0_6.0.10.505_RealPlayer_RN9GPD_en_686

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: SupportsMaximumASMBandwidth: 1

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Language: en-US, en, *

Thu Jan 31 12:10:43 PM Status 53813036: Require: com.real.retain-entity-for-setup

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 2

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:10:52 GMT

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Last-Modified: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:06:37 GMT

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Content-base: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra/

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: ETag: 563524-1

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Vary: User-Agent, ClientID

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Content-type: application/sdp

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: x-real-usestrackid: 1

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Content-length: 4621

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: SETUP rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra/streamid=0 RTSP/1.0

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 3

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: Transport: x-pn-tng/tcp;mode=play,rtp/avp/tcp;unicast;mode=play

Thu Jan 31 12:10:44 PM Status 53813036: If-match: 563524-1;timeout=80

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 3

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:10:53 GMT

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Reconnect: true

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: RDTFeatureLevel: 0

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: StatsMask: 3

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Transport: x-pn-tng/tcp;interleaved=0

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: SET_PARAMETER rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra RTSP/1.0

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 4

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Subscribe: stream=0;rule=20,stream=0;rule=21

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 4

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:10:53 GMT

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: PLAY rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra RTSP/1.0

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 5

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Range: npt=0-2999.76

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 5

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:10:53 GMT

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: RTP-Info: url=rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra/streamid=0;seq=0;rtptime=0

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Range: npt=0-

Thu Jan 31 12:10:45 PM Status 53813036: Session Started

Thu Jan 31 12:11:19 PM Status 53813036: SET_PARAMETER rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra RTSP/1.0

Thu Jan 31 12:11:19 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 6

Thu Jan 31 12:11:19 PM Status 53813036: SetDeliveryBandwidth: Bandwidth=1544000;BackOff=0

Thu Jan 31 12:11:19 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1

Thu Jan 31 12:11:24 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK

Thu Jan 31 12:11:24 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 6

Thu Jan 31 12:11:24 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:11:27 GMT

Thu Jan 31 12:11:24 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80

Thu Jan 31 12:11:44 PM Status 53813036: SET_PARAMETER rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio4/1310_sat.ra RTSP/1.0

Thu Jan 31 12:11:44 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 7

Thu Jan 31 12:11:45 PM Status 53813036: SetDeliveryBandwidth: Bandwidth=1544000;BackOff=0

Thu Jan 31 12:11:45 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1

Thu Jan 31 12:11:52 PM Status 53813036: RTSP/1.0 200 OK

Thu Jan 31 12:11:52 PM Status 53813036: CSeq: 7

Thu Jan 31 12:11:52 PM Status 53813036: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:11:53 GMT

Thu Jan 31 12:11:52 PM Status 53813036: Session: 563524-1;timeout=80

Thu Jan 31 12:11:53 PM Stopping DL Recording

Had no any problem recording... and playing the recordings.

The only thing I can think of is that you have port 554 closed. Make sure your firewall allows such connections.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

554 is definitely open in both firewall and router, have just been back to double check.

I'm out of ideas, unless it has something to do with me having a non-UK IP address, but that seems unlikely, as I can play the streams with no issue.

Looks like I'm going to have to stick to recording it for now. It's not the end of the world, but it's far less convenient.

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjedj (Post 5148)

I'm out of ideas, unless it has something to do with me having a non-UK IP address, but that seems unlikely, as I can play the streams with no issue.

I don't reside in the UK either. It is really very weird if you can play the stream, but unable to record when trying to use the same URL that your real player uses....

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjedj (Post 5148)

Looks like I'm going to have to stick to recording it for now. It's not the end of the world, but it's far less convenient.

Try to use a different port number:

Code:

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:7070/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:80/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:8080/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

or try to change the protocol as well as the port:

Code:

http://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

http://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:7070/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

http://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:80/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

http://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:8080/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

Hi guys,

I found this thread through Google as I couldn't get WM Recorder to work with BBC audio streams either. It might interest you to know that I too was using Real Alternative and when I uninstalled this and installed Realplayer (god help me), WM Recorder started working perfectly capturing anything I launched with the BBC iPlayer.

I'm not in the UK and maybe it's some combination of this and not using Realplayer which caused the issue.

Hope this helps someone.

Joe

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

I've always used "StreamBox VCR Suite" and never had a problem when giving the address in the format : rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radiox/aaaaaa_day.ra

eg
rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio5/mayo_tue.ra
rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/moyles_mon.ra

There is also a "turbo" version which downloads considerably quicker than real-time... :D

I hope this tip helps someone ?

FYI - I am UK resident, I don't know how much this affects things...:confused:

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

I was interested to hear of your success with Streambox VCR Suite, so I reinstalled it from your link, but alas, still to no avail. The firewall was set to grant access and the RTSP stream was detected, but not downloaded.

I am in the UK (London) and connect through a router (and now also a hub) via Blueyonder (now Virgin) cable. The router has also been configured to use a DNS server, but I don't really see that this matters, as I am getting BBC audio (mostly BBC7) via Real Alternative. I have tried replacing this with ther proper Real Player in the past, but that didn't work for stream recording either! The only success I had with most of the suggested programs (Replay, Net Transport and other downloaders) was with BBC Ripper in the past, but no longer. R7 did grab some content, but just snatches at the wrong speed.

So it's still recording through the sound card and trusty Sound Forge for the moment, then...

Re: BBC radio recording - Why don't you recommend BBC Radio Ripper?

I also use Real Alternative... I'm connected via BT ADSL (2Mb)... I also use a router but the DNS is set automatically from the ISP (usually the default).
That's the only thing I can think is really different... whats the full story with this DNS server things ? are you using a local (caching) DNS ? using an "open" public DNS ?

Problem recording BBC Radio 1 (UK) [capturing/downloading RTSP .ra audio streams]

Hi!

I'm having trouble recording BBC Radio 1 (UK), live or listen again (on-demand). I used to be able to! Please help!

Re: Problem recording BBC Radio 1 (UK) [capturing/downloading RTSP .ra audio streams]

Quote:

Originally Posted by any ANONYMOUS forum user (Post 9684)

Hi!

I'm having trouble recording BBC Radio 1 (UK), live or listen again (on-demand). I used to be able to! Please help!

Please try WM Recorder, Replay AV.

You may also use any media stream recorder or audio stream ripper.

And of course direct sound recording software can be used to record anything produced by your sound card (with some quality loss).