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can't find the rtmpdump release thread?

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KSV 02-08-2012 01:26 AM

can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
@mods

why the rtmpdump release thread has been deleted? is it temporary or it's gone for good?

svnpenn 02-08-2012 06:10 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
web.archive.org/web/stream-recorder.com/forum/can-download-latest-version-rtmpdump-source-binaries-t5533.html

Not good :(

karlo2105 02-09-2012 01:32 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
I hope this decision won't prevent you to continue to publish rtmpdump release. Please keep on. ;)

mattias 02-09-2012 04:33 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
I'm new here and excuse me if my questions are newbieish... Maybe the answer to my question are in this forum.

From what I understand the rtmpdump was made by Andrej Stepanchuk and Howard Chu and published at http://rtmpdump.mplayerhq.hu/.

KSV, as your updates aren't published at rtmpdump.mplayerhq.hu, I guess you're not one of the MPlayer-team. Do you have their go ahead to publish a 2.4 version of rtmpdump? :confused:


/Mattias

karlo2105 02-09-2012 04:37 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattias (Post 39439)
I'm new here and excuse me if my questions are newbieish... Maybe the answer to my question are in this forum.

From what I understand the rtmpdump was made by Andrej Stepanchuk and Howard Chu and published at http://rtmpdump.mplayerhq.hu/.

SVE, as your updates aren't published at rtmpdump.mplayerhq.hu, I guess you're not one of the MPlayer-team. Do you have their go ahead to publish a 2.4 version of rtmpdump? :confused:


/Mattias

It's a GPL software which means anyobody who adheres to the terms and conditions is given permission to modify the work, as well as to copy and redistribute the work or any derivative version.

mattias 02-09-2012 05:28 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Karlo, thanks for the info on the license. But it would still be good with a permission before naming your own version rtmpdump 2.4 ?

KSV 02-09-2012 05:59 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
if somebody got some problem with name someday i will just call it rtmpdump-ksv (a fork of rtmpdump) :D

karlo2105 02-09-2012 06:01 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattias (Post 39443)
Karlo, thanks for the info on the license. But it would still be good with a permission before naming your own version rtmpdump 2.4 ?

No permission is needed for any GPL software. It means you can modify it as long as you want but the only thing you have to do in order to respect license is to publish source code with your changes. :D

@KSV
If further rtmpdump release is forbidden here, you are welcome to come to Wiziwig forum. ;-)

mattias 02-09-2012 06:16 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
KSV, that what exactly what I was thinking. You can call it rtmpdump-KSV.

Of course it would be better if all contributions were collected in a collective collaboration, but we would of course rather see KSV realease his improvements as rtmpdump-KSV than not seeing them at all.

Offtopic:
By the way, here's another version of rtmpdump 2.3, with some small buggfix and made to compile in Visual Studio:
http://www.warezerver.net/rtmpdump.html

Just to add to the confusion...

mattias 02-09-2012 06:33 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Karlo, I'm sure no one wants to forbid KSV from releasing his versions here, but the official rtmpdump is currently the baby of this guy Howard Chu. He has probably put a lot of effort into making it, and we have to respect that. You can't go around snatching peoples babies from their arms, people get upset!

karlo2105 02-09-2012 06:46 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Oh come on when one software is released on GPL it means nobody can forbid further releasing of this software under this name. GPL means public domain.
It's stupid to change name of GPL software. Open source means collaboration. KSV please don't change rtmpdump name you don't have to do it as licence doesn't oblige you to.

I guess official rtmpdump developers are jealous of your work because they make once a year their release which no one uses as it becomes quickly out of date.

KSV 02-09-2012 06:49 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattias (Post 39451)
By the way, here's another version of rtmpdump 2.3, with some small buggfix and made to compile in Visual Studio:
http://www.warezerver.net/rtmpdump.html

Just to add to the confusion...

i just compared the rtmpdump.c file from that link with latest git version and couldn't find any relevant changes to file resume functionality. most probably those changes were merged later with rtmpdump so that version doesn't seems relevant any longer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattias (Post 39464)
Karlo, I'm sure no one wants to forbid KSV from releasing his versions here, but the official rtmpdump is currently the baby of this guy Howard Chu. He has probably put a lot of effort into making it, and we have to respect that. You can't go around snatching peoples babies from their arms, people get upset!

providing precompiled binaries doesn't amounts to taking credit from original author. i have never claimed myself as author of rtmpdump anywhere. full credit and respect goes to hyc for creating and maintaining that. personally i don't think thread was deleted due to complaint from hyc. it just may be a mistake. awaiting admin or mod's reply.

buksnatata 02-09-2012 07:46 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
lol it is GPL licence...

svnpenn 02-09-2012 06:19 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
If KSV will send me any uncommited changes I will create a repo on GitHub and put them all there.

toine512 02-12-2012 08:16 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
I agree with svnpenn.

mattias 02-14-2012 12:03 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
So we can now find it here:
https://github.com/svnpenn/rtmpdump

And anyone who wants to contribute with an improvement could contact you Svnpenn?

svnpenn 02-14-2012 04:24 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
It is your choice really. You can:

* email me
* post in this forum
* post to the mailing list
* do a "pull request" on GitHub

the last option is actually the "correct" way to do things

help.github.com/send-pull-requests

Stream Ripper 02-14-2012 06:52 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
I don't recall this thread, can somebody provide a link to it here please?

Maybe you've got one in a notifications email that a reply was made you can use.

Thanks

svnpenn 02-14-2012 07:06 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stream Ripper
I don't recall this thread, can somebody provide a link to it here please?

web.archive.org/web/stream-recorder.com/forum/can-download-latest-version-rtmpdump-source-binaries-t5533.html

Stream Ripper 02-14-2012 07:08 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Thanks - so the original URL was
Code:

http://stream-recorder.com/forum/can-download-latest-version-rtmpdump-source-binaries-t5533.html
I was not able to find it, nor do I know why it was deleted unfortunately. :(

KSV 02-14-2012 10:39 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
so if we create a new thread it wouldn't be a problem. anyway thread should be available in one of your backups.

Stream Ripper 02-14-2012 10:47 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KSV (Post 40144)
so if we create a new thread it wouldn't be a problem. anyway thread should be available in one of your backups.

Please - create a new one! As long as it doesn't go against any TOS it should be fine.

hyc 02-19-2012 02:00 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
For the record, I haven't been on here in months. I didn't complain about any thread, and I have no idea why the previous thread disappeared.

KSV and any other programmers are welcome to continue contributing their code.

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlo2105 (Post 39466)
Oh come on when one software is released on GPL it means nobody can forbid further releasing of this software under this name. GPL means public domain.

**Removed insult** GPL does not mean public domain.

Quote:

I guess official rtmpdump developers are jealous of your work because they make once a year their release which no one uses as it becomes quickly out of date.
Anyone who actually knows how to read can easily see that your statement is false.

Stream Ripper 02-19-2012 11:39 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Ladies, let's take it easy ok? :cool:

Thanks

svnpenn 02-20-2012 10:27 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karlo2105
I guess official rtmpdump developers are jealous of your work because they make once a year their release which no one uses as it becomes quickly out of date.

It is clear you dont understand open source software.

karlo2105 02-21-2012 07:10 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by svnpenn (Post 40619)
It is clear you dont understand open source software.

Open source means everyone can create, modify code as long they provide their source code with changes.
What I don't understand is why official release thread was removed. That's why I gave one of possible explanations. :p If you have another one I will be pleased to hear it.

svnpenn 02-21-2012 07:30 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RFC 1855
Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture, language, and humor have different points of reference from your own. Remember that date formats, measurements, and idioms may not travel well. Be especially careful with sarcasm.

ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855

Your post was both incorrect and highly insulting to people, including hyc, who have spent years creating this piece of software.

Next time before you post, you would do well to consider that.

compn 02-28-2012 09:11 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KSV (Post 39218)
@mods

why the rtmpdump release thread has been deleted? is it temporary or it's gone for good?

i was actually looking for the thread too since i am too lazy to compile my own build w/ fixes. i didnt delete it.

also i'd love to put the updated binaries on http://rtmpdump.mplayerhq.hu . just send me a url or email me a zip or whatever. send to projects@mplayerhq.hu

KSV 02-28-2012 09:59 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by compn (Post 41247)
i was actually looking for the thread too since i am too lazy to compile my own build w/ fixes. i didnt delete it.

here is new thread for unofficial binaries. first post is updated.
Code:

http://stream-recorder.com/forum/release-unofficial-rtmpdump-binaries-t11030.html
Quote:

Originally Posted by compn (Post 41247)
also i'd love to put the updated binaries on http://rtmpdump.mplayerhq.hu . just send me a url or email me a zip or whatever. send to projects@mplayerhq.hu

are you talking about binaries compiled from unmodified official sources?

compn 02-28-2012 10:29 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
yes, i dont mind posting updated modified builds.
better than older version which has stopped working.

at least theres no harm in posting both.

Eldorado 07-05-2012 11:05 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but was the only one I could find where there was talk of including KSV's patches to the official RTMPDump site

The XBMC team wants to only include 'official' librtmp builds into their releases, so is incorporating the work KSV has done into the main source or posting the binaries/source on the rtmpdump site a possibility?

KSV 07-05-2012 11:14 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Well the short answer is no. there are many patches lying around on the mailing list without someone reviewing or committing them. also there is lack of positive attitude.

karlo2105 07-05-2012 12:31 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldorado (Post 48844)
The XBMC team wants to only include 'official' librtmp builds into their releases, so is incorporating the work KSV has done into the main source or posting the binaries/source on the rtmpdump site a possibility?

Why don't you include KSV patches, he has done so patches work so far, so his release is relevant to be used by XBMC team or you prefere to stay with official but unptached release. :D

Eldorado 07-05-2012 01:40 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karlo2105 (Post 48848)
Why don't you include KSV patches, he has done so patches work so far, so his release is relevant to be used by XBMC team or you prefere to stay with official but unptached release. :D

Well its not my decision as I'm just a user and an addon dev, not apart of the XBMC dev team so it's ultimately up to them.. I'm just trying to get some wheels turning and have up to date librtmp builds included

Since KSV says it's a no then I think this is the next best option, I'll pitch them the idea and see if it gets somewhere

thanks!

svnpenn 07-05-2012 03:27 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
With all due respect to KSV, he hasnt posted a single commit to RtmpDump, only a flood of combined patch files.

I find this very strange because he has done well with his "Scripts" repo.

karlo2105 07-05-2012 04:23 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by svnpenn (Post 48853)
With all due respect to KSV, he hasnt posted a single commit to RtmpDump, only a flood of combined patch files.

I find this very strange because he has done well with his "Scripts" repo.

KSV is keeping rtmpdump up to date and for this he should be acknowledged. Without his patches many streams would not work and I don't think there is many persons like him who would do it regulary.
Xeeby managed to open handshake 10 and I am grateful for this to him.
KSV is maintining several scripts up to date. I guss he has also job and family life. So instead of complaining you could at least recognize that he is doing his best.

svnpenn 07-05-2012 04:41 PM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karlo2105
So instead of complaining you could at least recognize that he is doing his best

Quote:

Originally Posted by svnpenn
With all due respect to KSV, he hasnt posted a single commit to RtmpDump, only a flood of combined patch files.

I find this very strange because he has done well with his "Scripts" repo.

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KSV 07-06-2012 03:13 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by svnpenn (Post 48853)
he hasnt posted a single commit to RtmpDump, only a flood of combined patch files.

flood? oh really :mad:

i have never sent my combined patch file to mailing list. all the patches i submitted there were segregated and explained separately. IIRC last patch i sent was related to some RTMPT fixes but nobody cared to review it. combined patch file is only included with my package releases and makes it easier to apply it cleanly against latest git revision with single command instead of many separate patches generated against different git revisions.

how far you got when you submitted my live flag detection patch? they started bashing it saying it's invalid code and will crash while it's perfectly valid code and works as intended. it's not my job to convince someone to include it in their repo. honestly i don't care if it's in official repo or not. if i can use my written code that's good enough for me.

svnpenn 07-06-2012 03:28 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KSV
i have never sent my combined patch file to mailing list. all the patches i submitted there were segregated and explained separately. IIRC last patch i sent was related to some RTMPT fixes but nobody cared to review it. combined patch file is only included with my package releases and makes it easier to apply it cleanly against latest git revision with single command instead of many separate patches generated against different git revisions.

how far you got when you submitted my live flag detection patch? they started bashing it saying it's invalid code and will crash while it's perfectly valid code and works as intended. it's not my job to convince someone to include it in their repo. honestly i don't care if it's in official repo or not. if i can use my written code that's good enough for me.

Pretty much all this is true.

My beef is with a single patch file users have no way to see the code changes involved in each patch. If a user wanted to implement just one of your changes, they would have to pick through your patch file and figure out what parts are relevant for each change, as I have.

karlo2105 07-06-2012 04:24 AM

Re: can't find the rtmpdump release thread?


 
Quote:

Originally Posted by svnpenn (Post 48891)
Pretty much all this is true.

My beef is with a single patch file users have no way to see the code changes involved in each patch. If a user wanted to implement just one of your changes, they would have to pick through your patch file and figure out what parts are relevant for each change, as I have.

Why would user implement only one patch from KSV and not all? It's nonsense.


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