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Stream Recorder 05-11-2011 12:13 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by _James_ (Post 28873)
Is there any way to fix the times?
http://stream-recorder.com/forum/sho...4&postcount=94

any ANONYMOUS forum user 05-11-2011 03:29 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by getflv (Post 28881)
The recorded flv videos don't have duration meta data. You can repair them with "FLV Fixer" of GetFLV. We can also repair them automatically. However, we don't know when should we do it. Should we repair a video file after stopping record?:)
I tried to fix it in GetFLV and that didn't really do anything.

Thanks for pointing me to the tip on fixing the time in FLV files with Replay Media Catcher

Blader 05-12-2011 05:27 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhade (Post 28092)
im saying that in using WM Recorder, you wont need to fix anything or do anything in vlc

i record streams using wmrecorder, then pass them to lurk4 and encode them straight to mp4, no editing or fixing required

and if on the off chance it is a borked capture, IE Replay Media Catcher using quickview in Lurk4 almost always fixes the errors

another good feature in lurk4 :P
There is other easy method to repair flv for those which dont have lurk4

1st step – app needed: Replay Media Catcher 4 or jaksta3
you have to fix flv in app above -> fix flv - file contents – fix time (if you’ll get error, press OK)

2nd step – app needed: “flv player” made by GetFLV (or other flv player with function repair flv, but I dont know other)
open flv with player above and there is option “repair this file”
and voila -> vid is seekable and start point will be setted on 00:00 (instead of 65min and 41secs :) )

You can also watch flv vid during recording/downloading with using GetFLV player (make copy flv and repair file with GetFLV player – then you know if you recorded sth worth to watch or you need to reprocess stream :) )

I hope it helps ;)

Stream Recorder 05-17-2011 01:22 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by itsme (Post 28122)
Yes they do, though MFC starts at values above 0 but you just have to substract the start value and you always get the correct timestamp

I don't know any fix you could apply without having access to the source code. Just use another streaming recorder or if you know the developer of RMC, pass them the source code of rtmpdump/red5 since the rtmpdocumentation released by adobe is lacking of essential information.
Thanks for the tip. Replay Media Catcher / Jaksta 4.2.2 can rebase timestamp to 0 automatically.

b2oreal 05-20-2011 06:30 PM

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Hey itsme, I'm interested in lurk4, shoot me a pm your inbox is full

Stream Recorder 05-20-2011 10:30 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fra619 (Post 29231)
I'm using "Loopback Stream Recorder"to record free My Free Cams show and I can say that this method works. It often happens, however, that while recording the "Time rtmp" stops but the file size increases. When the session closes, I get a flv file with the same length as the "Time rtmp" and I lose everything else. What causes this? Thanks in advance and sorry for the bad English.
It may be a download/processing error. To fix this
  1. On LOOPBACK click "Tools" -> "FLV Processor"
  2. In the pop-up window click "Files" -> "RTMP Files". This shows all RTMP recorded files.
  3. Right click the file name then click "Extract FLV"

Stream Recorder 05-21-2011 10:24 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fra619 (Post 29249)
Thanks, but I have already tried that solution:(
This problem occurs when an online model log off temporarily ("I am currently away from my webcam" and then come back online.
This does not happen if the model accepts a private or a group show, in this case the "RTMP Time" takes up perfectly.
... Is there another method to extract video and audio from RTMP file?
Most probably you will need to refresh your web-page. Will ask the developer if this can be fixed.

lakers2008 05-21-2011 04:24 PM

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I am also looking for Lurk4. Pls send me a PM I am serious buyer. thx to whoever is selling it

itsme 05-23-2011 01:27 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lakers2008 (Post 29268)
I am also looking for Lurk4. Pls send me a PM I am serious buyer. thx to whoever is selling it
A post like this is heaven for scammer/people trying to send you trojans :)

Sent a pm.


Good news and bad news for anyone interested. I just added a MFC-Browser which makes the capping even easier.
http://i.imgur.com/bWKqB.png

bad news I still haven't implemented the grp/pvt completely. I can connect so like 20% of the shows but something is still missing, I get the rejected message on some streams. I don't give up tho..

All I can say is the 1 token exploit is fixed for sure, when I tried to close the session - so the token counter would stop decreasing - the cam sever sent the close packet and stopped sending data.

itsme 05-26-2011 08:41 AM

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Yes, you have to implement the mfc chat protocol correctly, then send the 51er packet (join chan) containing your session id and the roomid

king1 05-26-2011 02:11 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by itsme (Post 29322)
A post like this is heaven for scammer/people trying to send you trojans :)

Sent a pm.


Good news and bad news for anyone interested. I just added a MFC-Browser which makes the capping even easier.
http://i.imgur.com/bWKqB.png

bad news I still haven't implemented the grp/pvt completely. I can connect so like 20% of the shows but something is still missing, I get the rejected message on some streams. I don't give up tho..

All I can say is the 1 token exploit is fixed for sure, when I tried to close the session - so the token counter would stop decreasing - the cam sever sent the close packet and stopped sending data.
where could i get this browser ?

ris 05-27-2011 05:12 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by itsme (Post 27837)
another bit of information for other developer:

check out the loginResult invoke packet, it contains the streamid and key you need, wait for the UpdateSession Packet until the girl is in RX_IDLE Mode and use the key to compute the hash, send the result as result packet. If you guys are developer... the way to compute the hash is in the swf (decompile it).
I had no luck trying to decompile the swf. The best result I obtained was 4*sqrt(key), but I could not figure how this key is obtained from the values of loginResult, key, ..., sent by the server.

Please, could you elaborate on the hash computation or suggest a good swf decompiler/disassembler?

itsme 05-28-2011 12:32 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ris (Post 29488)
I had no luck trying to decompile the swf. The best result I obtained was 4*sqrt(key), but I could not figure how this key is obtained from the values of loginResult, key, ..., sent by the server.

Please, could you elaborate on the hash computation or suggest a good swf decompiler/disassembler?
You had it. The key is included in the loginResult packet, floor(4*sqrt(key)) is the value you have to send back.

Daniel74 05-28-2011 09:03 AM

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Guys, i really need some help cause i download all the programs everybody talked about here, but i still think that Replay Media Catcher is the best cause when i used it, i just have to click on the record button and it works by itself even when the models get off and come back again that doesn't happen with the other programs. So could someone be so kind to explain how it could works again on MFC, but please tell me step by step cause i miss something and i can't record anymore so easily like before.
Thx so much everyone for your collaboration

gharris001 05-30-2011 08:40 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stream Recorder (Post 29252)
Most probably you will need to refresh your web-page. Will ask the developer if this can be fixed.
I am having the same problem. I have a 185MB rtm file but can only parse 6MB of it. I really would love to recover the entire file. Any help would be appreciated.

Stream Recorder 05-30-2011 10:09 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gharris001 (Post 29577)
I am having the same problem. I have a 185MB rtm file but can only parse 6MB of it. I really would love to recover the entire file. Any help would be appreciated.
Have you tried to fix your FLV file?
http://stream-recorder.com/forum/sho...&postcount=127

gharris001 05-31-2011 01:18 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stream Recorder (Post 29579)
Have you tried to fix your FLV file?
http://stream-recorder.com/forum/sho...&postcount=127
Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I have tried fixing the flv. The flv plays fine but only for 2.25 minutes and the file size is only 6799kbs instead of the 181 MBs of the rtm file. The FLV / RTMP Parser in loopback processes the entire 186,266kbs but the minute count stops at 2.25 so after it is done under the process tab it says 181.900MB / 00:02.25. It seems to be the same issue that Fra619 was describing as I was left with a small Time.rtm file. Unfortunately I deleted it and don't remember it's size. I tried using the WM Converter but got an error message. I really would like to figure out how to convert this from the rtm file and save the video. Thanks

Stream Recorder 05-31-2011 06:49 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gharris001 (Post 29592)
Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I have tried fixing the flv. The flv plays fine but only for 2.25 minutes and the file size is only 6799kbs instead of the 181 MBs of the rtm file. The FLV / RTMP Parser in loopback processes the entire 186,266kbs but the minute count stops at 2.25 so after it is done under the process tab it says 181.900MB / 00:02.25. It seems to be the same issue that Fra619 was describing as I was left with a small Time.rtm file. Unfortunately I deleted it and don't remember it's size. I tried using the WM Converter but got an error message. I really would like to figure out how to convert this from the rtm file and save the video. Thanks
Thanks for your feedback. Forwarded your message to the developer of WM Recorder.

itsme 06-10-2011 07:23 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ahrinn (Post 29951)
Hey, itsme, your inbox is full. I was needing to send a pm.
Sure.


Btw since the vast majority been asking for infos and assume Lurk4 is only a shitty browser tool: a little video showing some functions
_http://www.multiupload.com/GOOJJK84NH

uckloaf 06-10-2011 11:18 AM

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I'll admit I'm a total noob here, but I tried the replay media catcher 4 today w/ MFC, and get nothing, just a like ~200k clip that says I'm unauthorized. What is everyone using? I see lurk4 mentioned, but can't actually find it anywhere? What is everyone using, and what actually works with MFC?

getflv 06-10-2011 03:57 PM

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GetFLV 9.0.2.0 can record myfreecams.com videos now.
(1).Please open your live cam through browser of GetFLV.
(2).Don't close your browser or leave the room when recording.
(3).You can open several browser windows from GetFLV to record multi tasks.

jakizakiflak 06-11-2011 02:53 PM

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stupid lie, i tried getflv 9.2 and it cant even record
dont bullshit ppl

getflv 06-11-2011 05:48 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by _James_ (Post 28871)
GetFLV seems to capture it really well, and the tabs are very handy for using popup chat windows rather than the homepage window as a chat window.
I have 2 issues, perhaps you can help:

1 - I'm having problems with paying back the flv files in VLC, the time slider starts near the end (even though its at the start of the file) and when using it to move to a different point in the video, it stops. This isn't just for videos created by GetFLV, though, StreamTransport used to do the same thing.
2 - The framerate of the created flv files seems to be slower than the streamed video, is there a setting to change this? During playback it plays like a fast slideshow.

I also love the way it goes to the FLV Downloader as soon as it encounters a stream in the FLV Browser - very nice!
GetFLV can record myfreecams.com no problem!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by jakizakiflak (Post 30008)
stupid lie, i tried getflv 9.2 and it cant even record
dont bullshit ppl
What is your problem? Please give us detailed description about it. We will help you.
You can not record any videos if you are running a cracked version.;)

morgonglad 06-12-2011 07:32 AM

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Where can I find Lurk4 program?

fatdanny 06-19-2011 02:16 PM

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I also have the same problem with WMR.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gharris001 (Post 29592)
Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I have tried fixing the flv. The flv plays fine but only for 2.25 minutes and the file size is only 6799kbs instead of the 181 MBs of the rtm file. The FLV / RTMP Parser in loopback processes the entire 186,266kbs but the minute count stops at 2.25 so after it is done under the process tab it says 181.900MB / 00:02.25. It seems to be the same issue that Fra619 was describing as I was left with a small Time.rtm file. Unfortunately I deleted it and don't remember it's size. I tried using the WM Converter but got an error message. I really would like to figure out how to convert this from the rtm file and save the video. Thanks

gharris001 06-23-2011 02:09 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fra619 (Post 30210)
From personal experience I can say that happens when the model has a slow connection.
I haven't had this happen with a slow connection but I noticed it happened again after the model logged off and right back on.

downloadx 06-24-2011 12:37 AM

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I'm a user of Replay Media Catcher and there is a fix for MFC if you have version 4. Tools -> Settings -> RMTP download tweaks -> Always record streams = ON. I found this on their official site and it works!

Before doing that, I tried out GetFLV. While it does work, it's complex and isn't as good as Replay Media Catcher. It's also fairly expensive, and I couldn't even find a way to buy it!

First impressions:
* One annoying thing is every recording you do, pops the focus to the download tab so you can't actually see the show you're recording! This is very important to a user.
* The browsing is slow, but that's probably IE's fault which is what GetFLV uses. Firefox/Replaymedia is much faster.
* Some of the flv files downloaded cannot be seeked. The flv fixer does not fix this. This is annoying, but common across a lot of software dealing with flv. For some reason, flv is universally a very bad format for seeking - there is not a program in the world that truly fixes all flvs. I've tried about 20 and they all can fix trivial errors but there are tons of flv files none of them will fix including a full reindexing. It's clear they don't have a full picture the kind of timestamp errors MFC is generating, which are indeed not straightforward.
* Otherwise, it works as advertised with minor hiccups. However the demo version cuts your video to 50%.

Quote:
Originally Posted by getflv (Post 29980)
(1).Please open your live cam through browser of GetFLV.
(2).Don't close your browser or leave the room when recording.
(3).You can open several browser windows from GetFLV to record multi tasks.
Thanks, this does work. Unfortunately ReplayMedia is better and cheaper, and there is a fix for MFC. Good luck though!

JASON3 06-25-2011 06:25 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by downloadx (Post 30321)
I'm a user of Replay Media Catcher and there is a fix for MFC if you have version 4. Tools -> Settings -> RMTP download tweaks -> Always record streams = ON. I found this on their official site and it works!

Before doing that, I tried out GetFLV. While it does work, it's complex and isn't as good as Replay Media Catcher. It's also fairly expensive, and I couldn't even find a way to buy it!

First impressions:
* One annoying thing is every recording you do, pops the focus to the download tab so you can't actually see the show you're recording! This is very important to a user.
* The browsing is slow, but that's probably IE's fault which is what GetFLV uses. Firefox/Replaymedia is much faster.
* Some of the flv files downloaded cannot be seeked. The flv fixer does not fix this. This is annoying, but common across a lot of software dealing with flv. For some reason, flv is universally a very bad format for seeking - there is not a program in the world that truly fixes all flvs. I've tried about 20 and they all can fix trivial errors but there are tons of flv files none of them will fix including a full reindexing. It's clear they don't have a full picture the kind of timestamp errors MFC is generating, which are indeed not straightforward.
* Otherwise, it works as advertised with minor hiccups. However the demo version cuts your video to 50%.



Thanks, this does work. Unfortunately ReplayMedia is better and cheaper, and there is a fix for MFC. Good luck though!


That is not a fix and has been available since version 3.

For the last time - "Recording" a stream is not a fix for the lost ability of "Downloading " a Stream.

Not sure why you people still don't grasp this.

Stream Recorder 06-26-2011 12:53 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON3 (Post 30379)
That is not a fix and has been available since version 3.
Replay Media Catcher 3.11 wasn't able to capture RTMP streams.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON3 (Post 30379)
For the last time - "Recording" a stream is not a fix for the lost ability of "Downloading " a Stream.
Recording by RMC 4 means capturing from your flash player, not recording from screen. So you get a perfect digital copy of the stream. The only difference is that you need to leave your player playing the streams that you want to capture.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON3 (Post 30379)
Not sure why you people still don't grasp this.
Because they grasp how it really is :D

xentar 06-26-2011 03:34 PM

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Hello, I'm a new member (and new to all of this stream recording outside of pure screen recorders) so thanks to all who have filled this thread with useful advice.

Now I'd love to try this lurk4 program that is being discussed often. Does anyone know where it is available and for how much?

Cheers,
Xen

Blader 06-27-2011 07:59 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by getflv View Post
(1).Please open your live cam through browser of GetFLV.
(2).Don't close your browser or leave the room when recording.
(3).You can open several browser windows from GetFLV to record multi tasks.
We are really need one thing to make GetFLV best flv recorder for mfc, etc.
Would be great if getflv will be able to record livecam when we will close browser window/s. It worked with Replay Media Catcher in past and many members looking for recorder with this option.
Some of us have slow connections and recording many livecams at one time make our pc's slow down too :(

Good luck for GetFLV Team and thanks for any info about solving this problem

gharris001 06-27-2011 01:35 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fra619 (Post 30369)
In most cases, after the model logged off and right back on, the "RTMP Time" stops and "file size" increases... Once the download is completed, I use the function "flv processor" and resolve the problem.
Instead when the model has jumpy connection, the "RTMP Time" stops, the "file size" increases but the flv processor is useless.


Finally, many times I've noticed that the "RTMP time" stops but just finished downloading, I use the "flv processor" and the "Rtmp time" is correct.:confused:
Yeah, the more I thought about it I think you are right. The model usually resets or logs off and back on BECAUSE of a choppy connection.

I've started using the "flv processor" on all files just in case and noticed many with an increase in file size and a longer video than just relying on the automatic conversion. I wish I knew for sure that the ones that don't work are never to be recovered. I suspect this is the case.:(

itsme 06-28-2011 10:35 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by xentar (Post 30401)
Hello, I'm a new member
...
Now I'd love to try this lurk4 program that is being discussed often. Does anyone know where it is available and for how much?

Cheers,
Xen
Welcome to this board,
just PM me if you have questions about Lurk4.

downloadx 06-29-2011 07:48 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON3 (Post 30379)
That is not a fix and has been available since version 3.

For the last time - "Recording" a stream is not a fix for the lost ability of "Downloading " a Stream.

Not sure why you people still don't grasp this.
As another user pointed out, RMTP recording has not been available in version Replay Media Catcher 3 - even the developer pointed this out. You're thinking of something completely different. Not sure why you don't grasp this.

Not having the slightest problems recording MFC anymore. Too bad for you.

metsman 07-01-2011 07:17 AM

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My big problem now is recording long streams with Replay Media Catcher (RMC) 4 . I cant seem to get anything that's recorded for any longer and 30mins to play all the way. I cant even convert or split the flv right. When do split it the first half shows up all choppy and the second half only shows the frame that I scroll to. Fixing it doesn't seem to do jack.

edit-
I also tied WM Recorder and I was unable to pick up any of the streams

Stream Recorder 07-01-2011 09:20 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by metsman (Post 30571)
My big problem now is recording long streams with Replay Media Catcher (RMC) 4 . I cant seem to get anything that's recorded for any longer and 30mins to play all the way. I cant even convert or split the flv right. When do split it the first half shows up all choppy and the second half only shows the frame that I scroll to. Fixing it doesn't seem to do jack.
make sure to fix both time and duration

Quote:
Originally Posted by metsman (Post 30571)
I also tied WM Recorder and I was unable to pick up any of the streams
Have you tried to use the Loopback recorder that comes with WM Recorder 14.8? Have you launched your browser from it?

metsman 07-02-2011 03:18 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stream Recorder (Post 30572)
make sure to fix both time and duration

Heh, I completely over looked fixing the duration. Works fine now.

Thanks

JASON3 07-08-2011 08:55 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by downloadx (Post 30538)
As another user pointed out, RMTP recording has not been available in version Replay Media Catcher 3 - even the developer pointed this out. You're thinking of something completely different. Not sure why you don't grasp this.

Not having the slightest problems recording MFC anymore. Too bad for you.
Recording - Not Downloading - Big Difference

Screen Recording was always available in the Replay Capture Suite, better check your sources.

But, i'm glad a *** like you is happy sitting in front of his puter for hours, live recording streams that CAN'T be Downloaded anymore.

One step forward, Two steps Backward, has always been your motto though, now that I think of it!

***

Stream Recorder 07-09-2011 10:18 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON3 (Post 30815)
Recording - Not Downloading - Big Difference

Screen Recording was always available in the Replay Capture Suite, better check your sources.

But, i'm glad a *** like you is happy sitting in front of his puter for hours, live recording streams that CAN'T be Downloaded anymore.

One step forward, Two steps Backward, has always been your motto though, now that I think of it!

***
@JASON3

Banned your account because of multiple insults. I repeat that Replay Media Catcher doesn't record from screen, it captures packets from flash player. If you still don't grasp it, I can't help you.

sanrockxp 07-20-2011 05:04 PM

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hey i used to be able to record the private sessions by opening the private window and using a token and then closing the window so i dont have to pay and it would still record, now i can only rec 130kb of mfc. anyone else have that problem?


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